That’s Craig Murray’s modest proposal. Truth to tell, looking at the behaviour of the banking industry over the past few years, it has a certain ring to it…
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Forget Burglars, Shoot a Banker…
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Over the past few decades, the financial industry has grown much much faster than has the overall economy, to the point where I regard overgrown finance as something akin to leukemia. Clearly regulations on finance have got to be reformed, but such reforms must be done with greater thought than anything politicians on either side of the Atlantic are saying these days. We do need a certain number of leukocytes in our bloodstream or we’ll soon either die or go live in a sterile plastic bubble, but too many leukocytes can also kill us. This analogy suggests a possible danger: chemotherapy is so awful because nobody knows how to kill cancer cells without also harming cells that the body needs. One big difference between overgrown finance and leukemia: cancer cells neither employ lobbyists nor give money to political campaigns.
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Hah – your analogy has some merit, methinks 🙂
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The Book Mountain
After that last post, I needed something to give me hope. Perhaps the news of the opening of the Book Mountain and Library quarter in Spijkenisse, here in the Netherlands, is something to restore my spirits.
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Now that is cool! We have a couple of large used book stores in the area and it is such a delight to wander them and find incredible treasures. Tablets and pads are fine but nothing beats holding a 100 year old book in your hands.
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Indeed. My oldest book dates from 1697, and is quite scurrilous…
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Religion Poisons Everything
That quote, from the late Christopher Hitchens, seems apposite in the wake of the news that a 14 year-old girl has been shot in the head because, according to the Taliban spokesman (it is always, of course, a spokesman), her activities in highlighting Taliban atrocities needed to be stopped.
He said the teenager’s work had been an “obscenity” that needed to be stopped: “This was a new chapter of obscenity, and we have to finish this chapter.”
It is at times like this when I come close to despair for humanity’s future.
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Well… it’s not all religions that have this effect – though I will concede that pretty much all of the Abrahamic faiths. Dharmic and Taoic faiths tend to be… less… um… militant, I s’pose you could say, and more tolerant of differences.
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Oh, and sure, there will always be extremist fundies attached to any faith, so in that sense, yes, religion poisons everything. Hence, I have no truck with it.
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Oh look. Another one.
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Gawd – why am I not surprised? Blasphemy laws are a very bad idea. Mind you, so is religion, as far as I’m concerned…
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Still, there is another aspect: scientists can also be militant fundamental extremists…
Rep. Paul Broun:
MD, Medical College of Georgia, 1971
BS, Chemistry, University of Georgia, 1967A doctor, and a Bachelor of Science in Chemistry. So he understands The Scientific Method, and the principals of analysis that it requires… yet…
So yeah, poison, distortion, twisty little evil thoughts: ‘Hang them goldarn n!ggers and homos! They ain’t natrul! We gots a dang muslin sympathizer fur president! Look, even his name is Saddam bin Laden! What’s next? You want to see a homo in office? Vote Republican like a good ole American and it’ll never happen by the Grace of God!”
Ah well… sometimes we need people like this to further our advance of science, even if it is just to shut them up with proof that they’re stupid.
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“Lies Straight From The Pit of Hell” – You just couldn’t make it up. Oh, wait, Rep. Broun just did… And the full horror is: people voted for him.
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The absolute limits of religious arrogance….
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Shadowland
We’ve been fans of the dance company “Pilobolus” for more years than I care to remember. In recent years, they’ve begun to use techniques of shadow puppetry in their dances.
Judging from this, they’ve got it down to a very fine art indeed. Staggeringly good.
(hat tip: Why Evolution is True)
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I first saw Pilobolus, and many other superb modern dance groups, in the 1980s when I was a graduate student at Duke University. The American Dance Festival was held on Duke’s campus every summer, and season tickets were so cheap even those of us living on stipends could afford them. Pilobolus dances have always been brilliant and witty.
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They are very good – modern dance for people who can’t stand modern dance. I recall the last time we saw them in Arnhem, there were some students from the local ballet school in the audience. They were saucer-eyed after seeing what Pilobolus could do…
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This Land is Mine
I’m currently reading (very slowly) Steven Pinker’s magisterial The Better Angels of Our Nature. It’s a history of violence in human societies, and his thesis is that violence has actually declined over the centuries. It seems difficult to believe, but Pinker marshals his facts and presents a convincing case.
And on the theme of the distressing fact that violence and humanity are inextricably locked together, here’s Nina Paley’s offering on that theme.
More about the film, Seder Masochism, together with a handy guide to who’s killing who, can be found on Nina’s Blog.
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MOST is Correct BUT!…with all due respect, all other nations/people have their own origin land, like greece or egypt or whatever. some were emipers who conquered ISRAEL other were nomads.
THE JEWS HAD, HAVE AND ALLWAYS WILL HAVE ONLY 1 LAND! – THE PROMISED LAND! THE ARABS HAVE 22, THE MUSLIMS HAVE 50.
PLEASE NOTE THAT THE PALESTINIANS ARE A FAKE MADE-UP PEOPLE! THEY ARE INFACT ARABS WHO SETTLED IN PALESTINE (A NAME GIVEN TO ISRAEL BY THE ROMAN EMPIRE AFTER TAKING IT AWAY FROM THE JEWS).
I SUGGEST YOU RESEARCH THIS ISSUE, THEN YOU WILL FIND OUT THAT B4 1948 THE ARABS (JORDANIAN, EGYPTIAN, TURK AAND OTHERS) WHO LIVED IN ISRAEL AND CAME TO THE LAND OF ISRAEL UNDER THE OTTOMAN AND BRITISH EMPIRES DID NOT CALL THEMSELVES “PALESTINIANS” THEY WERE ARABS. ONLY AFTER THE JEWS RETURNED (FOR THE 3RD) TIME TO THEIR PROMISED LAND, HAD THE ARABS STARTED TO THINK HOW TO STEALL THE LAND AGAIN, ON TOP OF THE 22 ARAB NATIONS THEY ALREADY HAVE.SO WHAT DID THEY DO?
FIRST INGAGED IN A HUGE WAR (5 ARAB ARMIES – NON OF THEM WERE OF ANY COUNRTY KNOWN AS PALESTINE) AND THEN THEY SAID, “WELL WE CAN NOT START KILLING THE JEWS WHO JUST BARELY SURVIVED THE HOLOCAUST (IT WOULD LOOK VERY BAD IF 500 MILION ARABS WILL FINISH WHAT HITLER HAD BEGAN, AND KILL AGAIN THE FEW POOR JEWS AFTER 6 MILION HAVE BEEN ALREADY MURDERED), SO…..LETS SAY THAT THE “PALESTINIANS” (SOME 200,000 ARAB NOMADS WHICH INFACT WERE ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE, LIKE TURKS, JEWS, GREEK, DIFFERENT ARABS ETC’) ARE THE NATIVES AND THE HORRIBLE JEWS STOLE THEIR LAND.please read more about this and UPDATE YOUR GREAT VIDEO ACCORDING TO HISTORY AND NOT ACCORDING TO MUSLIM PROPOGANDA.
ishiko tadmouri and joan peaters have wrote alot about this.
THIS THING IS A HUGE ARAB-MUSLIM PROPOGANDA!!!JUST ASK YOURSELF THIS ABOUT THE SO CALLED ARAB PALESTINIAN STATE/STOLEN LAND:
1. When was it founded and by whom?
2. What were its borders?
3. What was its capital?
4. What were its major cities?
5. What constituted the basis of its economy?
6. What was its form of government?
7. Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before Arafat?
8. Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation?
9. What was the language of the country of Palestine ?
10. What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine ?
11. What was the name of its currency?Choose any date in history and tell what was the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against the US dollar, German mark, GB pound, Japanese yen, or Chinese Yuan on that date.
12. And, finally, since there is no such country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur?
MOST SHOCKING IS THE FACT THAT NO SO CALLED ARAB PALESTINIAN, WAS SCREAMING “OCCUPATION” WHEN GB OR JORDAN OR TURKS HAD CONTROL OVER THIS LAND (OR A PART OF IT).
And here is the least sarcastic question of all: If the people you mistakenly call “Palestinians” are anything but generic Arabs collected from all over — or thrown out of — the Arab world, if they really have a genuine ethnic identity that gives them right for self-determination, why did they never try to become independent until Arabs suffered their devastating defeat in the Six Day War?
I hope you avoid the temptation to trace the modern day “Palestinians” to the Biblical Philistines: substituting etymology for history won’t work here.
The truth should be obvious to everyone who wants to know it. Arab countries have never abandoned the dream of destroying Israel ; they still cherish it today. Having time and again failed to achieve their evil goal with military means, they decided to fight Israel by proxy. For that purpose, they created a terrorist organization, cynically called it “the Palestinian people” and installed it in Gaza , Judea, and Samaria . How else can you explain the refusal by Jordan and Egypt to unconditionally accept back the “West Bank” and Gaza , respectively?
The fact is, Arabs populating Gaza, Judea, and Samaria have much less claim to nationhood than that Indian tribe that successfully emerged in Connecticut with the purpose of starting a tax-exempt casino: at least that tribe had a constructive goal that motivated them. The so-called “Palestinians” have only one motivation: the destruction of Israel , and in my book that is not sufficient to consider them a nation” — or anything else except what they really are: a terrorist organization that will one day be dismantled.
In fact, there is only one way to achieve peace in the Middle East . Arab countries must acknowledge and accept their defeat in their war against Israel and, as the losing side should, pay Israel reparations for the more than 50 years of devastation they have visited on it. The most appropriate form of such reparations would be the removal of their terrorist organization from the land of Israel and accepting Israel’s ancient sovereignty over Gaza , Judea, and Samaria . That will mark the end of the Palestinian people. What are you saying again was its beginning?
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With all due respect, this makes you sound more as part of the problem than as part of the solution…
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“The Angels Take Manhattan”
So, the Ponds departed from Doctor Who last night. Unlike some, I thought that the episode was an excellent one. That can be ascertained from the fact that, at one point (when Rory and Amy jump to their deaths off the apartment block), Martin threw me a kitchen roll to dowse my blubbing in.
The sequence of Rory trying to keep his matches alight, whilst Weeping Angel cherubs were blowing them out was up there with the iconic moment in Pitch Black. The Weeping Angels are almost nudging the Daleks off the pedestal of the premier Doctor Who foes at this point for me.
And I can’t help thinking that the name of the New York apartment block (“Winter Quay”) was significant in some fashion. Was it an anagram, perhaps?
“We quit! A(my), R(ory), NY”
Who knows? I’ll be there waiting, in anticipation, for the Christmas episode…
Update: There was a coda to this episode that was written, but never actually filmed. I don’t understand why. It is simply perfect.
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It was my favourite episode of series 7 (so far!). I’m with you on the “leap together” scene. Very powerful, I thought. I must admit, I’ll miss the Ponds, though all things must come to an end.
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Whats up with this Mid Season Finale stuff?? we get 5? episodes then have to wait 3 months….ugh!!!!!!!
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The BBC did this with series 6 as well. Their way of ratcheting up the tension, I suppose…
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Culinary Meme
Courtesy of Nicholas Whyte, here’s a list of kitchen gadgets.
Bold the ones you have and use at least once a year, italicize the ones you have and don’t use, strike through the ones you have had but got rid of.
I wonder how many apple corers, pasta machines, breadmakers, juicers, blenders, deep fat fryers, egg boilers, melon ballers, sandwich makers, pastry brushes, cheese boards, cheese knives, electric woks, miniature salad spinners, griddle pans, jam funnels, meat thermometers, filleting knives, egg poachers, cake stands, garlic crushers, martini glasses, tea strainers, bamboo steamers, pizza stones, coffee grinders, milk frothers, (it was a free gift, honest!), piping bags, banana stands, fluted pastry wheels, tagine dishes, conical strainers, rice cookers, steam cookers, pressure cookers, slow cookers, spaetzle makers, cookie presses, gravy strainers, double boilers (bains marie), sukiyaki stoves, ice cream makers, fondue sets, healthy-grills, home smokers, tempura sets, tortilla presses, electric whisks, cherry stoners, sugar thermometers, food processors, bacon presses, bacon slicers, mouli mills, cake testers, pestle-and-mortars, and sets of kebab skewers languish dustily at the back of the nation’s cupboards.
Mike, this is for you. Andy, I suspect that you eat out too much…
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Nice! I’ll play along.
Okay, I’m not going to hope that the comments parse HTML, so I’ll do it the old fashioned way.
HAVE AND USE (BOLD):
pastry brushes
cheese boards
cheese knives
griddle pan
meat thermometers
tea strainers (used as a spice ball)
coffee grinders (duh)
pressure cookers
slow cookers
cookie presses
food processors
pestle-and-mortarsHAVE AND DON’T USE (ITALIC):
pasta machines (currently rocking a low-carb diet, having waved goodbye to pasta, and I never could quite use it without a third hand)
milk frothers (Christmas present)
ice cream makers
electric whisks (attachment for my stick blender; love the blender, hate the whisk)HAD AND GOT RID OF (STRIKETHROUGH):
apple corers
breadmakers
blenders (technicality; the pitcher was destroyed by a cat, so I only have the motor base)
sandwich makers (my wife owned one from before we met)
cake stands (casualty of the move; useful as a serving dish for parties)
garlic crushers (use the side of a knife now)
pizza stones (had one, loved it, need a new one if I start with bread again)
piping bags (need one, but chose a horribly designed one)
banana stands
conical strainers (aluminum, had a bad reaction with a sauce)
rice cooker (manual; basically like a double boiler, loved it)
gravy strainers (spout was placed a bit too high)
fondue sets
healthy grills (see sandwich makers)NEVER OWNED (PLAIN TEXT):
juicers
deep fat fryers
egg boilers
melon ballers
electric woks
miniature salad spinners
jam funnels
filleting knives
egg poachers
martini glasses
bamboo steamers
fluted pastry wheels
tagine dishes
steam cookers
spaetzle makers
double boilers
sukiyaki stoves
home smokers
tempura sets
tortilla presses
cherry stoners
sugar thermometers
bacon presses
bacon slicers
mouli mills (known here as a food mill; want one)
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(I’m really hoping my last comment, where I went through the whole meme, went through and wasn’t lost in a botched login…)
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Don’t worry, I found it in the Spam queue, from where it has been rescued and restored to its rightful place…
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RIP – IDimager
One of my hobbies is photography, and my main tool for managing my digital photos is IDimager. I’ve been using it since January 2007. It’s now up to version 5, and I’ve been very happy with it. I occasionally visit the IDimager support forums, just to see if there are any announcements, or tips and tricks being posted. Yesterday I read a message from the developer that said:
IDimager V5 is discontinued as of today. Photo Supreme is a different product when compared to IDimager V5. They don’t offer an identical feature set so I recommend all IDimager V5 users to first try Supreme to see if it fits their need before they decide to make the switch.
My immediate reaction was WTF? Whilst I had been aware of the Photo Supreme product, last time I looked, a few months ago, it was for the Mac, and there was no whisper of a Windows version being made available. Fast forward a couple of months, and now it has killed off IDimager. Needless to say, I’m not very happy about this, and neither are a lot of other IDimager customers. IDimager is a serious Digital Asset Management (DAM) tool, and Photo Supreme, at first glance, has far less functionality; so for many people, Photo Supreme is nowhere near an acceptable replacement. A typical reaction:
Well that’s a real shame because you have killed off one of the best DAM systems a working professional could ask for and replaced it with a toy. I wish you luck with Photo Supreme, but regrettably it’s not a professional standard product IMO.
Because I tend to work mostly with JPG images, I’ll probably be able to carry on using IDimager for some time to come. However, for professional photographers who work with RAW format images, then IDimager will soon not be able to handle images produced by new camera models. These people have been thrown into a pit. I can only echo what someone else posted:
I have always had a lot of respect for Hert [the chief developer] and his responsiveness to bugs and feature requests. It made IDI stand out in a market dominated by big software giants who bought, crippled then abandoned software. Sadly yesterday’s announcement felt all too familiar and not what I have come to expect.
Since I have never used all of IDimager’s power (similar to most people only ever using a fraction of the capabilities of Microsoft Word), I’m taking a look at Photo Supreme to see it is a possible replacement for my usage patterns. But I’m doing so with a rather sour taste in my mouth at the moment.
Addendum 18th September 2014: I thought it was worthwhile adding that since writing this post, I switched (a while ago now) across to Photo Supreme, and have not regretted doing so. PSU has continued to evolve (version 3 is about to be released), and it has matured into a very good DAM.
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This is what always worries me about coming to rely on a product that isn’t one of the “major players” in a field, even if that product is superior to the majors. Of course, I use Capture NX 2 which is practically abandonware at this point.
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Yes, the chance that the rug will be snatched out from under our feet is always greater, of course. But for the period where it acts as a flying carpet, then we are prepared to forgive the seemingly inevitable future disappointment.
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Aargh! I was browsing your blog for information on WHS 2011 problems and read this. I’m currently rebuilding my WHSv1 server as a WHS 2011 server. I’ve been using IDImager for two years now and absolutely rely on it with 24K photos (mostly RAW).
My only problems with it were slowness over the network and occasionally it would just disappear. I was looking forward to a faster server and WHS 2011 to make things better.
Unfortunately, I need a networked (SQL) multiuser solution for myself and my wife. I’ll have to stay with IDImager until I can find a replacement (not easy, I’ve been researching for 3 years).
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Yes, it’s been disappointing news. Photo Supreme is only single-user at the moment, although some people have been suggesting to the developer that there would be a market for a multi-user version.
As for me, I think I can quite happily live with Photo Supreme, but I recognize that for many it is not as comprehensive a solution as IDimager.
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Hi Geoff, please remove this comment after reading.
Something on your blog freezes my web-browser (tested with Chrome and Firefox). CPU info shows permanent “30% loading”. I suspect, but not sure, that this is due to a “live snow” script. Please check it.-
Murat, I think it could be something else local to your system. It works fine here on IE10 and Chrome. The Snow script is done by WordPress across a large number of blogs – not just mine.
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Hi Geoff, I have used Idimager for the last two years. It is a very powerful and versatile DAM application. I reflect the fear of many that Photo Supreme may be bought by one of the major software developers and killed off. If, and I hope this is the case, Photo Supreme has a future, I would really like to see it developed into a multiuser system.
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Dermot, Hert (the prime developer of PSU) has said that, while a multiuser version of PSU is not currently planned, he would consider it if there was sufficient demand. I suggest that you make your voice heard in the forum of PSU: http://forum.idimager.com/viewforum.php?f=57
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Have you made the switch to Photo Supreme? Any insights?
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Bill, yes I’m using Photo Supreme. It meets my needs very well. I never used all the power that IDimager had, so PSU does the job for me.
It’s still developing. New features are gradually being added, and bugs being fixed. I just hope that Hert (the developer) manages to keep things under control. That was the downfall of IDimager, IMO, he tried to please everyone and put so much functionality into it that the application grew out of control.
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Thanks, Geoff. I was a bit surprised (but only a bit) when I learned that IDimager had gotten the boot. It was feature rich but didn’t have the backing to make it usable by the common person unwilling to deal with the horrible learning curve.
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Bill, give the trial version of PSU a whirl – then you can get a feel of it. I like the fact that the community forum is active, with users helping each other out. I’ve also registered in the bug-tracking system (Mantis) that Hert uses, and there you can get a sense of how the software is maturing. I’m pretty satisfied.
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George: Thank you so much for posting this. I first heard about IDImager from your blog so I guess it is only fitting that I hear about its demise here too. (God forbid I hear about it from ID Imager…!)
One of the features that you write a lot about in your blog (because I have bookmarked all of those posts !) is that IDImager hierarchical tags are compatible with WLPG. Is the same true for Photo Supreme?
I do plan to give it a test drive (especially since you seem to be happy with it :)) but I’d appreciate a heads-up from you.
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George? Who’s George? 🙂
Anyway, yes, Photo Supreme can write out hierarchical tags that are compatible with WLPG.
Cheers, Geoff
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I can export keywords from Adobe Bridge to Photo Supreme but not from PSU to Bridge. Why not?
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John, I don’t use Adobe Bridge, so I don’t know the answer to your question. Your best bet would be to ask the question over in the Photo Supreme forum:
http://forum.idimager.com/viewforum.php?f=57
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Geoff, I’m also a former Idimager Pro user who has gone to PS (for now). At first I thought PS would be a good fit as Idimager Pro was more than I needed. I have mixed feeling about PS, his development process and also about the way Hert runs his business. It always seems like you’re using a beta release with way too many updates over too short a time period. Wonder if they are doing proper testing before releases. Too many freezes and crashes IMO. After the way customers were treated when Idimager was cancelled, I’m not sure that company’s software is one I want to entrust with the management of my data. Their forum has also been moderated with a fairly heavy hand, and I don’t seem to be able to PM other users on their forum anymore.
Just curious if you’ve ever looked at Daminion as an alternative to PS? I’ve played with it a bit, and still very early in it’s development, but seems to have promise. Doesn’t try to do any significant functions beyond being a database. The last release said it could import Picasa face metadata, but haven’t tried it after remembering some Picasa issues you’ve brought up in the past (maybe stomping on maker notes?). Also like that if you want to edit an image via an editor, you “check-out” the image and latter “check-in” the changes with an ability to log what you’ve done. Wish that could be combined with some sort of versioning like Idimager/PS, but may I just don’t understand the full extent of Daminion’s capabilities yet. Would love to see your take on this software.
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Larry, I understand what you mean about “mixed feelings” – I think I share some of them. It seems to me that software development cycles can be a double-edged sword. Too many releases, and you run the risk of upsetting people; not enough and you do the same.
I’ve always been impressed by Hert’s responsiveness to pushing the development of his product. Perhaps it’s down to the fact that I don’t really stress PSU, but I’ve not been bitten by the rate of releases. There was a time during IDI when I thought that we were in danger of getting into a “two steps forward, one step back” situation. I’ve not really thought that about PSU.
Hert is very focused on what he wants. That’s a good thing for him and where he wants to take PSU, but if you find that you want something different, or have a different opinion, then you can definitely feel that you are not being listened to. Living as I do in the Netherlands, I recognise this as typical Dutch behaviour. 🙂
I’m aware of Daminion, but I haven’t looked at it (PSU is meeting my needs for now). I believe that Daminion’s developer was responsible for Picajet, which I did use for a time some years back, before dropping it in favour of IDI.
For the time being, I’ll continue with PSU. If ever it comes to the parting of the ways, then I know that I can always take my metadata with me. That is one of the strengths of PSU, and one of the reasons why I’m prepared to stick with it, and Hert. I may not always agree with him, but for now, his product is meeting my needs.
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Larry, I’ve just been browsing the Daminion web site, and reading some of the documentation. The mention of “importing Picasa face metadata” doesn’t look very hopeful as far as I’m concerned. It talks about the face metadata of versions of Picasa prior to 3.9 being supported. As far as I’m concerned, that’s shutting the stable door once the horse has bolted. Picasa is moving (in version 3.9 and beyond) to support the proposed standard for face metadata from the Metadata Working Group. And that’s not what Daminion is currently doing, but sticking to the old Picasa-proprietary format. That’s not of interest to me.
I note that Daminion does claim to be supporting the IPTC Extension “Person in Image” metadata element. That’s a start, but it also is different from the MWG proposed standard. The latter is built around dealing with face regions in your image – so that you can see who’s who at a glance in an image. The previous IPTC Extension approach is just a simple list of person names, with no attempt to tie these in to the actual people depicted in the image itself.
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“It’s An Incredible Deal”
That’s the summary of Paul Thurrott’s article on Microsoft’s Office 2013 pricing. I think his understanding of the definition of the word “incredible” is rather different to mine.
While you will be able to purchase licenses for the Office 2013 suite, the main thrust of Microsoft’s announcement is to move from a license purchase model to an annual subscription model.
Thurrott enthuses that:
Yes, you’ll be able to acquire Office 2013 the old-fashioned way. But the benefits and pricing of the subscription plans are so attractive you won’t want to.
However, when I do the sums, the subscription model has zero attraction for me.
I bought a copy of Office Home and Student 2007 for €125 almost 6 years ago; it’s still fine (I never felt the urge to upgrade to Office 2010), and licensed for 3 PCs – which is all I need.
Under this new subscription model, I would be paying €600 for the equivalent term for Office 365 Home Premium. If I want to buy Office 2013 for my PCs, then I’ll now have to buy three licenses; Microsoft has stopped doing the “licensed for up to 3 PCs” deal that they had for Office 2007 and Office 2010. However, while buying three copies of the traditional Home and Student versions of Office 2013 is cheaper at €420 Euros than the subscription cost for a six-year term, it’s still an enormous increase over the €125 cost of the equivalent license for Office 2007.
Frankly, if I’m going to get Office 2013 at all, then I’ll only be tempted to buy just one copy of Office 2013 for €140, and leave Office 2007 on the other two PCs.
The subscription model may be great for Microsoft, but it makes no sense for me.
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Well… there could be other ways… depending on how much ‘new’ MS software you want…
Buy an MSDN subscription, which will allow you to legitimately ‘obtain’ MS software for the duration of the subscription. This is expensive, but as I said, it depends on how much software you want.
You could also join up as an ISV. For about 1,500 euro, you could get a ‘reseller’ subscription, which will entitle you to SBS, SQL Server Standard, minimal Exchange, 10 workstation licenses, Office for 10 workstations…
… some of the deals that MS do are pretty damned good: the MSDN sub I’ve got gives me access to around $800k worth of MS software – sure, I don’t use all of it, but Server 2008 R2, SQL Server 2008 R2 Std, Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate, Office on 3 PCs, Team Foundation Server 2010, WIndows 7 Ultimate on 3 PCs, and Windows Home Server all cost a damned sight more than the MSDN Premium+VS Ultimate subscription (which is about $5k).
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Oh yeah, and once you’ve registered your software, it’s yours. It doesn’t expire. There are one or two restrictions on its use, but these should be no barrier for someone with an IT background like yourself Geoff,.
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Al – I’m a pensioner – the MSDN subscriptions are already more than I’m willing to pay. Also, the software is only to be used for “testing”. I, and I suspect Microsoft’s lawyers, view that using this stuff on a daily basis constitutes being in “production”. That’s why I bought licenses for the stuff I use…
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Yeah – sorry about that Geoff… anyway, if you’re using it at home, you’re using it for ‘development purposes’, which is covered by the terms of the agreement. I don’t know how the tax laws work in Flatland, but if they’re anything like they are over here, if you do a self-assessment, they could be considered ‘a legitimate expense’, and it’d reduce the tax you pay on your pension… just a thought…
Anyway, I digress. I’ll respond further down the threads…
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Al, best of luck with that definition of ‘development purposes’… 🙂
According to Microsoft:Many MSDN subscribers use a computer for mixed use—both design, development, testing, and demonstration of your programs (the use allowed under the MSDN subscription license) and some other use. Using the software in any other way, such as for doing email, playing games, or editing a document is another use and is not covered by the MSDN subscription license. When this happens, the underlying operating system must also be licensed normally by purchasing a regular copy of Windows such as the one that came with a new OEM PC
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Well… I’m hardly implementing a full-blown public facing Exchange server… but my use of the MSDN subscription follows, if not the letter of the agreement, certainly the spirit of the agreement. And when the organisation I work for has a huge contract with MS, I don’t think that they’ll be that pissed off with the developers who are using their products for home use, learning them, and consequently evangelising them… 😉
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Geoff,
I see you intend to move to Windows 8 as I will. What e-mail client are you using? I use Outlook 2010 and it is not Windows 8 friendly. W8 is forcing us into the cloud, I try to resist but to no avail. I have a WP6.5 phone & refused to move to a WP7 because at present my WP6.5 syncs perfectly with Outlook 2010 (Tasks,Appointments etc.) using Active Sync, WP7 and WP8 will not sync with Outlook 2010 . But they have me beat.-
Peter, I use the Windows Live Mail client that comes as part of Microsoft’s Windows Essentials suite (formerly Windows Live Essentials). It’s not as fully featured as Outlook (e.g. no Task support), but it meets my needs. It handles multiple email accounts (POP, IMAP, Hotmail, Google) and integrates my Contacts and multiple Calendars.
I have it handling four email accounts, my two primary accounts from my ISP, and two secondary accounts on Outlook.com. I use IMAP for my primary accounts, and archive my mail locally (i.e. not in the Cloud). Windows Live Mail supports local storage folders, and it holds messages as individual .EML files – no OST or PST database files here. Personally, I prefer this approach of Windows Live Mail.
I have WP7, and even though my primary email accounts are non-Microsoft, the WP7 mail client handles them well, and my Contacts and Calendars (both using Windows Live) are synced across my devices.
The W8 Modern mail client is too limiting for me (at least the version I’m seeing in the W8 Release Preview), so I expect to be continuing with Windows Live Mail for some time to come.
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So now I understand, you don’t need Office 365 as you don’t use Office Outlook. You can stay with Office 2007/2010. I am forced to either stop using Outlook and switch to the W8 Client with its limitations (especially with POP3 Clients) or to “upgrade” to Office 365 and keep paying monthly forever. I have been using Outlook with a pst file for many years and am hooked on the Tasks, Appointments etc. Unfortunately I don’t think I can kick the habit.
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There is no need Peter as there is a viable alternative in Windows Live Mail! It works with all email accounts including POP and also my favourite RSS feeds via Internet Explorer. It has a built in Calendar (which you can add to at the side) and I personally prefer it to Outlook which is far too ‘bloated’ with unnecessary features that I never use. Give it a whirl.(and best of all, its free!)
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Yeah, but Outlook is so damned useful. I hated it for a long time, even as OE (now known as Windows Mail), preferring to use the mail client that my ISP developed and offered for free, or later, using Thunderbird. When I was forced to use Outlook at work in lieu of using Lotus Notes (how dare they call this a Productivity and Collaboration suite!) when I changed jobs… and decided I quite liked it. This was Outlook 2003. As I had an MSDN subscription, and I needed Office at home, I just downloaded and installed it. I’ve never looked back, using every release within weeks of RTM – though I must admit, I’m nervous of Outlook 2012…
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I’m with Al Feersum. I have Windows 8 loaded as dual boot and I have tried the native Mail client adding both my outlook.com (old Hotmail) and my POP3. They work OK. Then I loaded the new Office 2013 and tried Outlook 2013. They don’t compare, as I said earlier I’m hooked on Outlook. The problem is to get the Outlook to sync with all the new metro stuff and later with Windows Phone 8 you have to have the 365 version of Office. Also with Outlook I get to access all my emails from over 10 years in my pst file.
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Peter, as both TG and I have said, try Windows Live Mail, rather than the Modern mail client bundled in W8. The latter is a toy, and does not integrate your contacts and calendars into the mail display (they are separate Modern apps in W8).
My Windows Live Mail also accesses all my emails from over 10 years…
I get all my contacts, calendars, and emails synced between my devices (including my WP7) and I’m not forced to sign up to Office 365
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I was messing around with my gmail this evening, setting up filters for useless crap that keep pinging my Lumia as new mail, and the functionality is looking more and more like Office than it ever did, including the integration with Google Drive (used to be Google Apps). The only thing it doesn’t have is the same look-and-feel… oh yeah, and PSTs. But then again, with >10G of storage, who cares? The only downside are the ads in the interstices, but it’s free, so Google have to pay for it somehow. And no thick client either. It doesn’t stop me from using Outlook 2010 though.
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Ads? You get Ads with Gmail? Yet another reason to stick with Outlook.com and SkyDrive, perhaps?
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The ads can be quite entertaining, e.g. when checking for false positives in the spam trap: “Spam and tomatoe [sic] pasta bake recipe”
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What? Yuk.
“Spam Vegetable Strudel – Bake 20 minutes or until golden, serve with soy sauce”
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Ah yes, the old rent versus buy argument. Nice of Paul to label everyone who doesn’t agree with him a Luddite.
Not sure why I can’t find the same information. Paul has some specific information, but when I go to Microsofts Office 365 site ( http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/office365/compare-plans.aspx ) there is no “Home Premium” plan for Office 365 and the plans listed are considerably more than what Paul quoted – a 5 seat license that allows editing of Word docs is $30/month ($360/yr)
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Mark, follow the link I give in the post for Microsoft’s Announcement, and you see the pricing for consumers. The Office 365 site is intended for businesses, and the prices reflect that.
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Polling Day
It’s polling day here in the Netherlands. It’s our chance to exercise our democratic right to choose the members of the Tweede Kamer (Second Chamber), and, indirectly, the makeup of the next Dutch Government. With twenty political parties to choose from, the next government will almost certainly be a coalition, as usual.
There’s a chance that we might see a swing to the left, but it seems that it will be a close run thing.
At least I should get some respite from the last few weeks of a constant barrage of web ads urging me to vote for the VVD. Their crude slogans – Meer straf en minder begrijp voor criminelen (more punishment and less understanding for criminals) – have merely confirmed me in my belief that I am doing the right thing by voting for the PVdA.
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Meanwhile, as you are probably aware we have a campaign going on in the USA. Very negative campaign on both sides, unfortunately. Since I live in what is called a Blue State (one that always gets colored blue meaning the Democratic Party) in the maps on TV, there has been very little advertising from either Presidential campaign here. But in Connecticut we are seeing MANY advertisements for the multimillionaire professional wrestling executive who is the Republican candidate for our open Senate seat. Her Democratic opponent has a long and distinguished history in state and national politics so would normally be the overwhelming favorite. But the wrestling executive has so much more money to spend on advertising that the outcome in this election is very uncertain. Last time she failed to buy herself a Senate seat with her millions, but she may pull it off this time.
This in a rather ugly election year.
I have voted for every Democratic candidate for President since Carter myself; my wife and I certainly plan to vote for Obama again this time.
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Lichtenvoorde’s Bloemencorso
The nearby town of Lichtenvoorde holds a Bloemencorso, or Flower Parade, every year on the second Sunday in September. For 2012, that was yesterday, and as it was a beautiful sunny day, we went along to watch the parade.
There’s a quite staggering amount of work that goes into making these floats, involving thousands of Dahlia blooms, and the results are spectacular. I took about 400 photos, but unfortunately, my camera lens (a Canon EFS 17-85mm) developed a fault during the parade, so I didn’t capture all of it.
As well as the floats, there are a number of marching bands and theatre groups taking part. First up was a Brazilian dance and percussion group from The Hague:
The children of Lichtenvoorde and the surrounding area have their own section in the parade. These are just a few of the floats (click for larger images):
Then the main floats started to arrive…
Many of the floats had moving parts. This next one is difficult to appreciate in a photograph, but the bison and the hunters both turned in constant motion:
This next one was titled “Water and Fire”:
Then came my personal favourite of the parade – carnivorous plants, complete with black flies in attendance. The plants opened and closed their jaws as they passed:
Keeping with the Nature theme, this next float was titled “Tarantula”:
Followed in turn by a bunch of killer wasps in “Attack”:
This next float was titled “Underground”, and presumably represented a mechanical mole, judging by the “miners” working it:
I’m afraid that it was at this point that my lens began to play up, so I haven’t got good pictures of the last floats. However, I want to make special mention of the “Verpakt” (packaging) float. This represented six Japanese toy dolls in their packaging. The dolls moved as they passed by.
A nice touch was the inclusion of a QR code on the “box”, which takes you to the fake web site of the Go-Kyo toy…
This float won the jury prize.
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Life Is Fragile
A sober reminder yesterday of how fragile our lives are. I received an email passing on the news that someone I knew, liked, and respected from my days of working in IT in Shell was killed in a light aircraft crash last Friday. He was only 42.
He leaves a widow and two young daughters. He is sorely missed.
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A New Arrival
Our nearest neighbours, Herman and José are currently celebrating (and having sleepless nights) because José gave birth to their second child last Tuesday. Her name is Linde.
Yesterday, as is traditional around these parts, we, the neighbours, assembled to erect a stork in the garden to proclaim the arrival of a baby.
Because Linde is a girl, Martin added the princess dress to indicate the fact. He also decorated the entrance to the cattle barn…
The text reads Welkom, Linde, in de Buurt (Welcome, Linde, into the Neighbourhood).
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“Windows 8 is Windows 7+1”
I’ve mentioned before how much I’ve been surprised by the level of vitriol and hatred that has been unleashed against Microsoft’s forthcoming Windows 8 operating system. Everywhere I turn, on tech blogs and forums, there are articles, posts and threads complaining about the “disaster” that is Windows 8. Opinions galore, often complete with falsehoods stated as facts.
I find it all a bit bemusing. To be sure, Windows 8 is not without blemishes, but it’s hardly a disaster. I actually like it. I’ll be upgrading my release preview of Windows 8 to the full Windows 8 Pro when it is released on October 26. I certainly will not be returning to Windows 7.
So it’s something of a relief to find a kindred spirit in the form of Scott Hanselman, who describes Windows 8 as Windows 7+1:
Maybe I’m too relaxed but after a few days and some hotkeys I’ve found Windows 8 to be Windows 7+1. Works fine, no crashes, lots of improvements. I spend most of my desktop time in Windows apps, all of which work. I keep News apps or Video apps in full screen on other monitors and I do move the Start Screen around but generally the whole thing has been a non-issue.
And he actually shows why he has reached this conclusion in a detailed post. It’s worth reading.
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Perhaps so but for the average desktop user, there is little here for them. Expecting people to learn new windows-key combinations just because its more difficult to do familiar things is not much of an endorsement. All of the “pin it to the task bar” sounds good until you realize that the defaults are ALWAYS to Metro (sorry, Windows-8-style) apps and cant easily be changed. Double-click on a picture and you are dumped into the pic viewer and have to figure out how to get back to your files.
For laptop and small-screen people I think all the chromeless stuff will be great, but when a tech-savvy person after having it installed for a month and is now saying “have got myself productive again” – I wouldn’t consider that much of a success-story.
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Mark – yes, I agree that post-installation, file defaults are set to Modern UI Apps, but that’s only until you install further software. As soon as I installed Windows Essentials, the file defaults got switched to those applications automatically.
By coincidence, I see that Paul Thurrott wrote about this here: http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windows8/windows-8-tip-change-file-associations-144102
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Microsoft’s Photo Gallery – Yet Another Missed Opportunity?
As I wrote in my last post, Microsoft has recently released a new version of Windows Live Photo Gallery, now simply known as “Photo Gallery”. That last post documented an issue that Photo Gallery has over its handling of geotags. In this post I want to look at what I would consider to be missed opportunities by Microsoft to set the lead in the field of software aimed at organising digital photos.
Microsoft is a founding member of the Metadata Working Group, a consortium of leading companies in the digital media industry, focused on the following goals:
- Preservation and seamless interoperability of digital image metadata
- Interoperability and availability to all applications, devices, and services
Almost two years ago, in November 2010, the group published version 2 of its Guidelines for Handling Image Metadata. As I wrote at the time, it’s “a major new version of the Guidelines”. The document states:
This expanded specification builds on existing metadata standards to describe several emerging consumer properties that:
- Use regions to record faces, focus points, barcodes, or other data in an image
- Provide hierarchical keywords to richly describe and classify images
- Flexibly identify an image as part of a greater media collection
While software applications are supporting features such as people tags and hierarchical keywords, they use differing implementations, so that interoperability between applications is difficult, if not often impossible.
Version 2 of the Guidelines was an attempt to define a common specification in these areas, to drive interoperability forward.
What I find disappointing is that, nearly two years later, the new version of Photo Gallery has not implemented any of these proposed specifications, and continues with the old Microsoft-proprietary ways of doing things, despite the fact that Microsoft is a founding member of the Metadata Working Group.
Still, the same charge can also be levelled at Adobe, another founding member. Their latest version of Lightroom, Lightroom 4, also continues with the Adobe-proprietary ways of doing things. The result? You can forget about any real interoperability between Photo Gallery and Lightroom when it comes to People Tags and Hierarchical Keywords.
One last, rather ironic, point. Despite the fact that Google is not a member of the Metadata Working Group, I’m heartened to see that Google has actually implemented the version 2 Guidelines proposed standard for People Tags in version 3.9 of Picasa. So it can be done. C’mon Microsoft and Adobe, get with the programme, give us tools that actually talk to each other…
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Windows Photo Gallery, Geotags and Other Issues
Microsoft has recently released a new version of Windows Live Photo Gallery. In keeping with Microsoft’s plan to kill off the “Live” branding, it is now simply known as “Photo Gallery”, and the suite of software utilities is now known as Windows Essentials, rather than the old name of Windows Live Essentials.
Since this is a step change in the software (it’s now at version 16.4.3503.728, while the last version of Windows Live Photo Gallery was 15.4.3538.513), I thought I’d take another look at it.
Apart from the name change, not much seems to have been done with the product. Yes, Microsoft has added in the possibility to publish videos to the Vimeo service and Photo Gallery now includes an Auto-Collage feature by default (this was a downloadable plug-in for the previous version), but that’s about it.
However, while playing around with it, I discovered there was an issue with the way in which Photo Gallery was handling geotags.
Some of you may recall that, when it was first released in 2010, Windows Live Photo Gallery had a major problem with geotags. It was writing out GPS coordinate data into photos that was often completely wrong. Microsoft got this fixed in December 2010.
And there the matter rested, or so I thought.
However, I have discovered another issue related to geotags in Photo Gallery. For a long time now, Microsoft has said that it holds to the principle that “the truth is in the file”. That means that metadata you apply to your photos is part of the photo, and available to any application that knows how to read it. But I’ve found that this does not apply to geotags in all cases. Photo Gallery looks to see if the image contains metadata, and if so, the following operations occur:
- If the photo contains Keywords in its metadata, these are added to PG’s list of Descriptive Tags, which it holds in its database and displayed alongside the photo in PG’s information pane.
- If the photo contains technical data in Exif (e.g. date taken, shutter and ISO speeds, etc.), these will be copied to PG’s database and displayed in PG’s information pane.
- If the photo contains GPS coordinates in its metadata when it’s examined by PG, reverse geocoding will be triggered and the location is displayed as text addresses in the information pane.
The screenshot below shows a photo taken with my Nokia Lumia 800 Windows Phone being displayed in Photo Gallery (click for the full-sized image).
In the information pane on the right, you can see some of the metadata present in the image being shown, including the GPS Latitude and Longitude (at the bottom right). Photo Gallery has used this GPS data to do reverse geocoding via a Bing service to resolve the coordinates to an address. That is being shown under the Geotag heading in the information pane. By default, only the City and Province/State data is shown (i.e. Aalten, Gelderland in this case). The full address is shown in a tooltip if the mouse cursor is placed over the Geotag – in this case, Bing has said that the GPS data is for the location: Tammeldijk 6, Aalten, Gelderland, Netherlands.
As an aside, Bing has actually got the address wrong. It should be Tammeldijk 4, not 6. Google Maps will show the correct address, if fed these GPS coordinates…
So, Photo Gallery has just generated some location data based on the GPS coordinates. Now the question is, how is it going to stay with the principle of “the truth is in the file”? It needs to write this generated data out into the image metadata in some fashion. How will it do this, and what standard will it use? I need to make a short digression here into the murky waters of industry standards…
One very common industry standard for location (and other) metadata used in photos is that defined by the International Press and Telecommunications Council. Back in the early 1990s, the IPTC defined a standard for image metadata: IPTC-IIM. This became widely adopted and supported in many software tools and applications. However, it had design limitations, and the IPTC introduced a new version in 2005, based on the XMP standard, known as IPTC Core. Many software tools and applications handle both standards, and keep the metadata content synchronised between the legacy IIM and the new Core standards. Along with the Core standard, the IPTC also published a set of extensions, known, unsurprisingly, as Extension. The IPTC Core and Extension are published together as the IPTC Photo Metadata Standards.
Both IPTC-IIM and IPTC Core contain fields for defining locations. Essentially, both define a hierarchy of (sub)location, city, state/province, country and country code. I, like many other photographers, use these fields for assigning locations to my photographs.
However, somewhere along the line, photographers realised that the term “location” was ambiguous. Did it refer to where the photograph was taken, or did it refer to the location depicted in the photograph? These were not necessarily the same place. The standards did not specify a resolution to this conundrum. That is why, in the IPTC Extension standard, there are two sets of location fields: the location where the photograph was created, and the location depicted in the image.
Clearly, the GPS coordinates reflect the location where the photograph was created, and Microsoft elected to use the IPTC Extension LocationCreated fields to store the results of the reverse geocoding lookup. The correct decision, in my opinion.
Back in 2010 when I found that false GPS coordinates were being written out to my photos, what was happening was that Windows Live Photo Gallery was doing the following:
- If a file contained IPTC-IIM or Core location metadata when it was brought into WLPG, then WLPG used the IPTC Location data to set the location strings in the geotag field of the info pane, and wrote them out into the image metadata as IPTC LocationCreated fields.
- If the file did not contain GPS coordinates, WLPG would attempt to use the Location metadata with a Bing lookup to get the closest match for the GPS coordinates. In many cases, “the closest match” was miles away, or even in another country…
- WLPG would then write out its idea of the “correct” GPS coordinates into the Exif metadata of the image.
I, and other photographers, who had been using IPTC-IIM/Core location metadata, suddenly found our photo collections filled with false GPS coordinates. We complained, and Microsoft responded and changed the way in which WLPG worked. Microsoft told me the changes were:
- GPS coordinates on a file are read-only inside of WLPG. WLPG will never add, change or delete the GPS coordinates.
- If a file contains GPS coordinates when it’s brought in to WLPG, reverse geocoding will be triggered and location strings are displayed in the info pane, users can rename or remove the strings but GPS coordinates won’t be touched. Users may Rename a location but it will then leave a mismatch between the coordinates and the string since the coordinates are read-only.
- If a file does not contain GPS coordinates, users will be able to geotag by adding a string (that gets validated against Bing as it does today) but no GPS coordinates are added to the file. The user can remove the string or rename it.
- If the file contains a geo name only, there will be no GPS coordinates calculated for it.
What I now see that I missed at the time is that WLPG, and now PG, no longer write out the result of a reverse geocode lookup into the IPTC Extension LocationCreated fields when the lookup is triggered by the presence of GPS coordinates in the image.
The only time that LocationCreated metadata gets written out into the image is when the user makes an explicit change to the geotag information in PG. And it has to be a real change. I can open up the “rename location” panel, and click “Save”, but unless I’ve actually made a change in the data, nothing gets written out as metadata – the geotag information resides solely in Photo Gallery’s local database. In other words, the truth is no longer in the file.
This screenshot shows the “rename location” panel. Clicking “save” does not make Photo Gallery write out the metadata, because I’ve left the contents unchanged.
In this screenshot, I’ve changed “Tammeldijk 6” to “Tammeldijk 4”, and now when I clicked “Save”, the LocationCreated metadata was written out.
This strikes me as a bit counter-intuitive. I would think that clicking “Save” in both cases should force a write of metadata. After all, if Microsoft is going to say that writing out of metadata should be under the explicit control of the user (which I tend to agree with), then even if I don’t change the result of the reverse lookup, I should be able to confirm my acceptance of it by the act of clicking “Save”. If I don’t want PG to write out the metadata, then I would click “Cancel” instead.
So we currently have here a design where “the truth is in the file” is not fully in place, and where user confirmation is inconsistent.
That’s poor design, and a poor user experience, in my book.
I have to say that in one way, I’m rather thankful that the design is still broken. That’s because one of the other bugs in Photo Gallery is still present: it corrupts Canon Makernotes data when it writes out metadata to images. Just imagine: Photo Gallery would be finding location data or GPS coordinates in my photos and writing out LocationCreated metadata to those images. And in doing so, it would be merrily corrupting the Makernotes metadata in every single one of those images. Shudder.
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Thanks for the useful articles on how Picasa and WPG.
I’m having an issue with Picasa / WPG interoperability. I don’t think it has been mentioned in your articles: After editing some photos in WPG, its useful to be able to quickly locate the photos which have been edited so that I don’t lose track of them. The Edited button in the Find ribbon is useful for this. An edit of the metadata in WPG (e.g. adding a tag) is not treated as an edit for this purpose, and that’s how I like it. When I use find->edit, I want to find pixel edits, not metadata edits. However, if I tag some photos in Picasa and then use Find->Edit in WPG, it will find those photos that have had the tags added/modified in Picasa. This obviously renders the Find->Edit function in WPG useless, because I can no longer find my pixel edits.
Are you aware of this? If not, are you able to reproduce it? Who is at fault, Picasa or WPG?
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osm – I’m not sure what criteria WPG is using to classify an image as “edited”. On the face of it, it looks as though WPG is using a pixel edit as the criterion, but there may be something else going on that changes in Picasa is affecting. I currently don’t have Picasa installed on my PC so I can’t test this. I’ll take a look using my other image editing tools and see if I can reproduce something similar to what you are seeing.
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I’ve now added some tags in Adobe Lightroom 4 and GeoSetter. WPG reads the tags (I can see them in the side panel) but they don’t appear to WPG as edited photos. So the issue seems to be Picasa-WPG specific. I have posted on Picasa forum.
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OK, thanks.
I can confirm this behavior of Picasa, and will add a comment to the Picasa forum thread: http://productforums.google.com/d/msg/picasa/Y-8t3WTfw8Q/Mtzt-gvFGPkJ
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Coupe – I’m catching up in my rss reader and came upon this. Your patience after all this time is nothing short of outstanding. Frankly, I don’t even want to know what damage PG and Picasa are still inflicting (wake me up when it’s over) but it’s (sort of) fun to find out in passing. (You have such a delicate way with language.) And then I can forget about them again. Oh, oops, not quite yet. Still have two years to go in repairing the date/time damage from WLPG.
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I suspect I have masochistic tendencies. It sometimes feels like a Sisyphean task, trying to get Microsoft or Google to fix things – or even acknowledge that something’s wrong. Case in point, this WLPG behavior for renaming locations – I’ve just been informed by the product team that this behavior is “by design”. It may be piss-poor design, but by god, it’s their design, and they’re standing by it…
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Since all that fun we had in 2010 I keep my photos as far away from Windows as I possibly can and still use a Windows OS.
But, here’s one (small) thing that I still can’t get away from: That option under View called ‘Choose Details’. There are hundreds of ‘fields’ of some kind that can supposedly be displayed in columns across the screen. What are these fields?
Only a VERY few of them have anything to do with IPTC metadata. And then everywhere I go where there’s a photo to view the ‘info bar’ at the bottom of the screen doesn’t even bother to use standard fields. Keywords become ‘tags’. Caption becomes ‘subject’. Object name becomes ‘title’. Would it be so damn difficult to just get with the program? Obviously.
I’m finding Windows can search at least a little bit of what I enter using Photo Mechanic or GeoSetter. It will search location fields entered in other programs but, still, it won’t display it in its columns.
It’s the usual schmozzle I see in too many places. They’re sort of doing something but not really.
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Those fields are the metadata that Windows knows about. They are drawn from a variety of sources. Some of them are metadata that Microsoft has defined for Windows file properties. Some of them are properties used by applications such as Microsoft Office (e.g. Business Phone). Some of them are used by Windows Media Player, and are ID2 tags used to add metadata to audio files. And some of them are Exif and IPTC/XMP metadata used in images.
Being a whole mishmash of metadata, and one that has, essentially, just growed, like Topsy, then there is a lot of “junk DNA” in there. As you’ve noted, some of the names are different, or associated with different fields to what you might expect.
I’m afraid that there’s not much chance of this stuff being cleaned up by now – we’re probably stuck with it. Like the fact that the qwerty keyboard is a historical accident that just won’t die in favour of more logical layouts.
You can use Windows Explorer to create a Details view displaying the metadata that you want in columns. First, open a Folder using the Details view (so that the standard columns are displayed across the top. Then move the mouse to the column heading line and right-click. You’ll then see a list of the most commonly-used properties. Click on “More…” to see the full list. Check the properties that you want to be displayed, and click OK.
You can drag the column headings around to get the order that you want.
You should be able to search on any of these fields. If a property has more than one word (e.g. Camera Maker), then just take out the spaces, append a colon, and it searches in that property. So, for example, in the “Search” box of Windows Explorer, if I want to find images in the Folder(s) I’ve got displayed that were taken with a Canon camera, I’d enter “cameramaker: canon” in the search field (without the quotes). I can do these searches without needing to have the columns being displayed.There are other Search operators that can be useful. Try date: or datetaken: in the Search field, for example…
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That’s pretty funny. All these years and I didn’t know I could right-click on the column headings. The ‘More’ box I knew about. It’s my worst nightmare.
I really hope they don’t change the qwerty layout because it took me 50 years and several attempts before I learned to type and now I’ve really got it down. Can hardly hold a pencil anymore.
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[…] Under certain circumstances, WLPG can store this address information in the image file, using the IPTC Extension LocationCreated metadata fields. Since this is a cross-industry standard, other applications that support this standard should be able to work with the metadata. However, you cannot use WLPG to create GPS coordinates for an image. Perhaps in the next version? […]
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I am wondering if you may have any suggestions on an issue I have with Windows Photo Gallery. I have gone through and Geotagged all of my pictures, but when I imported the pictures into Light Room I found that the Lat/Long didn’t import. After many investigations I realized that even thought I geotagged the pictures the Lat/Long was not written to the properties of the pictures. Is there any way to get a Lat/Long to write to all my pictures without having to go and re-geotag them all now in Light Room?
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How have you used Windows Photo Gallery to geotag your pictures with Lat/Long info? As far as I’m aware, it doesn’t do this at all.
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Thanks Geoff – very interesting stuff. I have a query similar to Grizzly Rob – I have some old photos that do not have GPS Lat/Long data. I have geotagged the photos using PG, but other programs ignore this data..
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Mike, I would reccommend Geosetter for this (http://www.geosetter.de/en). It’s an excellent program.
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Mike, a question of clarification: when you say that you “geotagged the photos using PG”, I assume that you are using Microsoft’s definition of the term “geotagging”, and using the “Geotag” feature of PG?
I ask this, because Microsoft, as usual, are defining the term “geotag” in their own way, and differently from everybody else. What Microsoft is actually doing is “geocoding”, rather than geotagging. See here for a full discussion of the differences:
You cannot use PG to define GPS Lat/Long data (which is what a geotag is), PG will only handle geocoding – using textual address fields, and it won’t write any of this out into the image file’s metadata, but only store it in PG’s local database.
So if you want to actually use Lat/Long data, you’re going to have to use something like GeoSetter to store the GPS data into the image file’s metadata.
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You interpreted me correctly. When I said geotagging, I actually meant geocoding. I will try GeoSetter – thanks for the suggestion. Do you think it will take my PG geocodes and automatically convert them to true geotags (ie lat/long settings)?
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Mike, I’m afraid that GeoSetter does not take geocodes and use them to produce Lat/Long coordinates – I don’t know of any program that would do this. It would be a very tricky thing to do, because textual information is free-form. An earlier version of PG tried to do this, and it was an absolute disaster. False GPS coordinates got placed in thousands of my files. Microsoft eventually withdrew this feature following an outcry from users.
You’ll have to manually generate the GPS data in GeoSetter by selecting your photos (either individually or in groups, as the case may be), and then placing a marker pin in the map interface of GeoSetter. That will write out the GPS coordinates into the image metadata.
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Yep… thought as much. Thanks for all your advice, it has been extremely helpful. And nice to know someone is keeping an eye on Microsoft 😉
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Hi Geoff Coupe,
Thanks for all your information regarding metatagging. Your name has popped up on a few sites I have looked at for advice. I wondered if I asked you for a recomendation you may be oblige me with some more.
I work for a small organisation that has a backlog of images to be tagged with metadata. After this they would like to upload to flickr and have an online photo database staff can utilise. This would contain basic tags like the photographer, the year taken, a rating, and some other simple tags.
Geotagging would be great. Could you recommend a programme that would help us. I have had a play with Geosetter though find it a bit difficult to navigate. I will be training some students to help us with tagging so I need something quite intuitive. Metadata templates would also be great for basic, repeating tags.
Thanks very much,
Chris,
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Chris, I use Geosetter myself, so that would have been my first recommendation… I see that Microsoft’s Pro Photo Tools version 2 is still available, so you could take a look at that:
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=13518It’s a very simple tool, but does do proper geotagging (not geocoding, like Photo Gallery). It may be simple enough to be intuitive… Good luck!
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Thanks so much, really appreciate you getting back to me. Now to cull a photo database of around 160,000 images to about 15,000. Good times ahead…
Cheers!
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Geoff –
Today I downloaded and installed the latest version of Photo Gallery. I made copies of several Canon geotagged photos and renamed their location (just enough for it to “stick”) in Photo Gallery. Comparing the originals to the renamed versions (using the tool ExamDiff) the only changes observed were the four added XMP LocationCreated tags. No Canon Makernote metadata (or indeed any other metadata) was changed, corrupted, added or deleted. This is very good performance, in that most software modify metadata they actually shouldn’t.
This all leads me to believe that your previously observed behavior of metadata corruption has been fixed.
Mike
(former Canon rep, Michigan, and supporter of the Embedded Metadata Manifesto)
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Mike,
What version of Photo Gallery have you got installed?
I am using build 16.4.3508.205, which as far as I am aware is the latest.
And I have just retested the Makernotes corruption, and it’s still there on my images. I am using a Canon 450D camera, and adding a Descriptive tag to an image that has been produced by the camera is still resulting in Makernotes corruption…
Here’s a screenshot of part of the Exif contents (using Geosetter to display the metadata) before applying the descriptive tag using Photo Gallery:
And here’s the metadata content after using Photo Gallery to add a descriptive Tag:
Thanks.
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Geoff,
I’ve tagged and rated hundreds of photos and video clips in Windows Photo Gallery (Build 16.4.3508.205). I really like the organizational features that can be applied to all media types, whether or not the files themselves can store metadata.
I discovered too late that the metadata that is stored in the pictures.pd6 file cannot be used or exported to another PC without employing some extraordinary measures. That means I can’t move selected files to a laptop or tablet (Surface) along with the metadata. It also means that someday, when I migrate to the next desktop, it will be very challenging to move the metadata along with the libraries.
Are you aware of:
1. Any evidence of Microsoft development activities that might address migration or exporting of Photo Gallery database metadata? It seems like migration of media libraries from one PC to another should be supported.
2. Any third party application that can convert the metadata in pictures.pd6 to another organizer application’s database or “sidecar” files?
Thanks,
MikeV
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Mike, I’m not aware of any utilities (either Microsoft-developed or third party) that allow the exporting of data from the pictures.pd6 database. It’s quite possible that Microsoft has such utilities for internal use, but they’ve never made them publically available to my knowledge.
Some metadata should already be duplicated in the photos themselves (e.g. descriptive tags, people tags, captions, Exif data and ratings), so when you move the photos to another platform, this metadata will move along with the photos. However, this is only true for photos in the JPEG format. If you have photos in RAW format, then Photo Gallery only has metadata that you apply to them held in the pictures.pd6 database. That may also be the case for video files – I don’t tag video clips, so I don’t know how Photo Gallery behaves.
For the most part, Microsoft has adopted cross-industry standards for the metadata stored in JPEG images, so you should be able to pick up most of the metadata from the images themselves.
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Hello Geoff — I have a question for you, after stumbling via a Google search across this blog post. I have a Nokia 920 Windows phone. I just downloaded an app called GeoPhoto, because (as an urban planner) I want to be able to do field work, photographing sites that I will later need to describe, comment on, etc. Is there an easy way that I can add the photos I take with my Windows phone/GeoPhoto app to Google maps? Do you happen to know if there is an easy way to add the photos I take with my Windows phone/GeoPhoto app to ESRI’s ArcGIS (a very common/popular Geographic Information System program/platform?
Thanks in advance,
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John, sorry, but I don’t know the answers to your questions. You could have the photos you take synced to your OneDrive Camera Roll, where they would be available to add to other apps and applications such as Google Earth and Google Maps (and you can have the GPS coordinates included in the metadata) on a PC; but I’m not aware of anything that would do everything via the phone itself. Same for ArcGIS. You could try asking your question over in the ArcGIS forums; someone might know a way to do this.
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I know that this article was written back in 2012 so I don’t know if I will get a response.I figured I’d ask anyways. ツ
This article was written about the geotag feature on Windows Photo Gallery but I have got a question concerning the description tag feature that I was hoping to could help me with. When I click on ‘manage tags’ it takes me a list of all the descriptive tags associated with my photos on my computer. The vast majority of these descriptive tags I haven’t tagged them to the photos myself. Tags like feelings, disorder, framework, etc. Completely random tags that has nothing to do with the actual photo itself. Windows Photo Gallery seems to be automatically putting these descriptive tags onto my photos by itself. Whenever I click the option to manage the description tags it does give me the option to delete the tags. I was wondering though, is there anyway to change the settings so that Windows Photo Gallery doesn’t automatically put their own descriptive tags on my photos?
Thanks in advance,
Kayla-
Hello Kayla,
I’m wondering whether at least one of the photo folders you have included in Windows Photo Gallery is a OneDrive folder?You see, OneDrive will automatically try and tag photos that it finds, and if the OneDrive folder that is in the OneDrive cloud is set to automatically sync itself with the folder that is on your PC, then these tags will be synced along with the photos (because they are metadata contained in the photos themselves).
Once the tags are in the photos that you have on your PC, then Windows Photo Gallery will see them and add them to the list of tags that it has.
If this is what is happening, you can turn off OneDrive’s automatic tagging of your photos. Go to OneDrive with your web browser, and click on the gear icon next to your account photos (top right of the title bar running across the top of OneDrive). That takes you to OneDrive’s options. Click on ” Tagging”, and there you will see where you can turn off OneDrive’s automatic tagging of photos.
Once you’ve done that, then once you delete the unwanted tags from within Windows Photo Gallery, these tags should also get deleted from the synced photos in the OneDrive cloud as well.
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Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou! I do have OneDrive installed onto my computer, I;m going to OneDrive’s website now to change my settings. I had also Googled my question & couldn’t find an answer so I appreciate it verrry much.
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Geoff – nice article with useful information.
Another question for you. I am new in using PG and learning how to best use the GeoTag feature. Could you please tell me which metadata fields the GeoTag writes to for the 4 fields; that is, which fields in the Windows Explorer file do the map to?
Thank you in advance for your assistance.
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Mark, it’s been a while since I used PG, but at the time, as I wrote in the post, PG used the IPTC LocationCreated fields to store Geotag data. As far as I’m aware, these fields are neither exposed, nor mapped to alternatives in Windows Explorer.
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Hi Geoff,
Not sure if you will still get this. I am very late to the whole sorting out a lifetime of photos enterprise.
I like WPG due to its simplicity and UI, however I do not want to invest effort in sorting out thousands of photos (mainly with people info) if it is a) not stored with the file, and b) not readable by at least some other programs (for when WPG really dies – it is already difficult to download except from bloatware sites).
Do you know where WPG people tags are stored? I have tried using Exif Pilot to read the file data after saving some people tags but can’t find the data.
I also know that the test image file has some IPTC extension data in it from Photoshop (I find that in XMP – PersonInImage tag on Exif Pilot) but cannot find that via the WPG UI – is that me or WPG at fault?
Thanks in advance (if this reaches you)
Cheers
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Hallo Paul,
As you’ve found, WPG people tags are stored in the file metadata using Microsoft’s People Tag schema. Unfortunately, this is pretty much unique to Microsoft, hardly anyone else uses it, and even Microsoft haven’t taken it further.
The image region tagging standard that seems to be surviving is that documented in the Metadata Working Group’s guidelines. It’s used in Adobe’s Lightroom, Picasa, Photo Supreme, and (I believe) Google Photos.
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If anyone googles this – I have found the WPG people tag data is XMPBasic(CreatorTool) – MicrosoftPhoto_1.2(RegionInfo).
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The Right To Die
I am profoundly thankful that I live in a country where I can choose if I wish to die.
Tony Nicklinson has been denied that choice, and is condemned to serve more time in a living hell.
Update #1: Polly Toynbee has a good article on this issue. As she says:
The verdict was morally abominable – but inevitable. However bad a law may be, it is not for the courts to make fundamental change but for parliament – even when parliament sentences thousands a year to brutal and pointless suffering.
However, as she points out, it will be difficult to persuade the UK Parliament to right this wrong. The religious lobby is extremely powerful.
In opinion polls, for years, more than 80% have supported this change in the law, but every attempt at a right-to-die reform has been sabotaged by the large religious lobby, galvanised by Care Not Killing. The red benches, heavily stacked with the religious, including 26 bishops, saw off the last bills.
Rowan Williams’s pretence is that their opposition springs from a fear this will lead to mass extermination of the inconvenient old. But why should the religious worry more about that than everyone else? The law would provide safeguards. The real religious reason is theological, as voiced in the Lords by the bishop of Oxford when he proclaimed “We are not autonomous beings” – we must all wait for God’s release. Presumably avoidable suffering is part of God’s mysterious purpose.
As I said, I am thankful that I live in the Netherlands. Contrary to what the bishop of Oxford may choose to believe, I am an autonomous being.
Update #2: Sarah Wollaston has an atrocious article on this issue. It appears that not only is she a physician, but she is also the Member of Parliament for Totnes. My heart goes out to the people of Totnes for being saddled with her to represent them in the democratic process, and I would hate to end up as one of her patients. She would quite cheerfully condemn me to continued suffering rather than respect my wishes to end my life.
The trouble with people like Sarah Wollaston is that they do not seem to understand what a human life is. They think, for some reason, that human life is simply a biological reality, the fact that a body is breathing. The human life that we value is very different. A life is a continuum of sorts, with a unity of conception. I do not want to enter into the philosophical problem of identity, but the important thing about a well-lived life is that it has a sense of overall consistency and coherence. That is why we respect people’s autonomy, the right to make their own decisions about life: what to do with their lives, who to marry, whether to have children, which vocation to pursue, and many other decisions that go to make up a life rich in experience and held together, so far as is possible, by a single, or at least a unified sense of what is appropriate for a life so conceived.
A life conceived in this way includes some of the most important decisions that must be made, and includes, as an essential part, how that person understands the part that death plays in life. Most of us do not think much about death, especially when we are in the midst of life, but the time will come when the issue of dying will loom very large indeed. To be unable to make decisions about dying is to put outside the scope of a person’s conception of life all those things that may befall them at the end of life.
Update #3: Tony Nicklinson has died. RIP. He fought well for the right to die with dignity.
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Lest We Forget
The BBC showed a one hour documentary last night: Death Camp Treblinka: Survivor Stories. The survivors in question were Samuel Willenberg and Kalman Taigman. They were among 600 prisoners who escaped during a revolt at the camp on August 2nd, 1943. Only 40 of them were known to have survived to the end of the war, and now, only Samuel Willenberg remains to bear witness – Kalman Taigman died in July this year.
The programme was profoundly shocking – Treblinka II was a death camp that existed for no other purpose than for the killing of human beings. Over 800,000 Jews and Gypsies were gassed, shot and cremated during the 13 months of the camp’s operation.
What struck me was how small Treblinka II was – only 600 metres by 400 metres. The Nazis kept between 700 and 800 prisoners to operate the camp, while 90% of the inmates sent to Treblinka were killed within the first 2 hours of arriving.
Willenberg and Taigman told their stories to camera, and they were harrowing. For example, Willenberg found the coats of his two younger sisters among the personal effects of the dead he had been made to sort through by the Nazis. Or the fact that during his escape from the camp, a fellow escapee, who was wounded, begged Willenberg to shoot him, rather than be recaptured. Willenberg gave him his wished-for coup de grâce.
The light at the end of the tunnel was the closing section of the programme that showed that the two men had survived the horrors of Treblinka and rebuilt their lives. Taigman had gone on to fight in the Warsaw Uprising, while Willenberg was a witness at the trial of Adolf Eichmann. The closing moments of the programme managed to bring a profound sense of peace and regeneration of the human spirit at its best – something that I never thought would be possible given what I had just seen and heard earlier in the hour
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RIP, Harry
Harry Harrison has died. When I was going through my phase of devouring SF books during my teens and twenties, he was one of my favourite authors. On one level, his books could be read as action tales, but there was usually a serious underpinning. So Deathworld was underpinned by Darwinian selection, Bill, The Galactic Hero by an almost Swiftian satire, and Make Room! Make Room! by the question and consequences of human overpopulation.
But I think my favourite of his novels remains Captive Universe, which opens with a heartstopping sequence (quite literally) in an apparently Aztec setting. It develops into a thought-provoking tale about colonisation and eugenic control. Well worth reading.
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Damned shame. Great for kids getting into SF – Stainless Steel Rat was my first taste, and I was really pleased when one of the stories was serialised in 2000AD.
And he could do humour really well…. ‘Star Smashers of the Galaxy Rangers’ – class.
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[sigh] They’re all dying…
Harry Harrison was always one of my favorite writers too. I used to read many of his stories aloud to my girlfriend. His stories are particularly suited to reading aloud as he recommended that as a good way to check your writing.He could write science fiction with biting social comment, action, humor… anything.
Death sucks! Bring on the immortality, I say!
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When All Else Fails…
…change the cable.
A few days ago, my Nokia Lumia 800 phone suddenly refused to connect to my PC for synchronising. I’d plug it in, but nothing would happen – Windows would not react to the connection, the Zune software would not start, zilch. And when I disconnected the phone, Windows would give me an error saying: “USB device not recognized”. However, the phone would still charge via the connecting cable, so at least something was happening.
So I searched the web for this error and got lots of advice. Mostly involving uninstalling and re-installing the Zune software on the PC and doing a hard reset on the phone (which loses all my information on the phone).
I followed all of this, without any resolution of the problem. I even installed the Zune software on another PC and tried connecting the phone there. Still the same error.
Right, this then meant that there were two possibilities:
- Either the phone was faulty, or
- the connecting cable was faulty.
Not having a spare micro-USB cable handy, I decided to buy a new cable, at – gulp – €24.95. It arrived today. With some trepidation, I plugged it in and voilá – synchronisation began.
So the moral of the story is that even with modern electronic devices it can still be simply a faulty cable that causes the problem.
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HI Geoff,
Bad/cheap USB cables are a surprisingly common source of issues, and I’ve learnt to swap them first of all in any situation. Have had customers bringing in “dead” external hard drives, that weren’t reading properly, or at all, until the cheap USB cable was swapped for another… have also seen bad USB cables stopping PCs from booting when plugged in as well!-
Yes, you’re right, but the trouble was that the bad cable was the Nokia cable that came with the phone. In this particular case it was not cheap, but turned out to be bad after 8 months of use…
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